Comments on: The True Value of Cloud Computing http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/ Understanding the Software as a Service Revolution Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:03:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: schmid lang http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/#comment-106030 schmid lang Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:49:37 +0000 http://www.saasblogs.com/?p=259#comment-106030 I believe everything that is done is for the future and the technology is going to keep on changing and changing http://bygsoft.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/cloudy-combo-google-app-engine-and-amazon-s3-combo-pack/ I believe everything that is done is for the future and the technology is going to keep on changing and changing
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]]> By: steve http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/#comment-105254 steve Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:05:28 +0000 http://www.saasblogs.com/?p=259#comment-105254 TypI agree in that companies should take a look at what they need and the functionality of the current applications before implementing cloud computer. TypI agree in that companies should take a look at what they need and the functionality of the current applications before implementing cloud computer.

]]> By: Kaamel Kermaani http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/#comment-95481 Kaamel Kermaani Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:49:28 +0000 http://www.saasblogs.com/?p=259#comment-95481 Well put, Abe. I recently wrote about CC on my blog at http://blog.kermaani.com, although it is from a different angle. Kaamel Well put, Abe. I recently wrote about CC on my blog at http://blog.kermaani.com, although it is from a different angle.

Kaamel

]]> By: Michael Swan http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/#comment-95473 Michael Swan Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:31:47 +0000 http://www.saasblogs.com/?p=259#comment-95473 VERY articulate Abe. We are in the SaaS / S+S hosting space and spend alot of time and energy trying to keep ahead of the curve in terms of allocation of hardware and maintaining the highest efficiency of the hosted environments we provide for our partners and their clients. All to provide users a seamless experience on our network and infrastructure. As the processes and technologies evolve, we plan to continue investing in order to provide the scalability and "elastic" or "seamless" experience folks are looking for in a SaaS / S+S solution. Keeping expectations realistic is the watch word when talking with prospects about what they can expect today! Thanks and keep up the good work. Joining your LinkedIn group now! VERY articulate Abe. We are in the SaaS / S+S hosting space and spend alot of time and energy trying to keep ahead of the curve in terms of allocation of hardware and maintaining the highest efficiency of the hosted environments we provide for our partners and their clients. All to provide users a seamless experience on our network and infrastructure. As the processes and technologies evolve, we plan to continue investing in order to provide the scalability and “elastic” or “seamless” experience folks are looking for in a SaaS / S+S solution. Keeping expectations realistic is the watch word when talking with prospects about what they can expect today!

Thanks and keep up the good work. Joining your LinkedIn group now!

]]> By: Abraham Sultan http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/#comment-94269 Abraham Sultan Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:01:37 +0000 http://www.saasblogs.com/?p=259#comment-94269 Scott, That is the point I was trying to make with my article. The usage of Cloud Computing alone is not sufficient and it is only a tiny piece of the puzzle. Clearly as you’ve stated it is not sufficient or even useful in many scenarios without a lot of work from the application developer; what I’m saying is that most of the work if not all can be abstracted away from the developer by platforms like SaaSGrid and that it is important not to confuse what the main value of Cloud Computing really since it certainly isn’t the price. Cheers, Abe Scott,

That is the point I was trying to make with my article. The usage of Cloud Computing alone is not sufficient and it is only a tiny piece of the puzzle. Clearly as you’ve stated it is not sufficient or even useful in many scenarios without a lot of work from the application developer; what I’m saying is that most of the work if not all can be abstracted away from the developer by platforms like SaaSGrid and that it is important not to confuse what the main value of Cloud Computing really since it certainly isn’t the price.

Cheers,
Abe

]]> By: Scott Sheppard http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/#comment-94266 Scott Sheppard Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:31:26 +0000 http://www.saasblogs.com/?p=259#comment-94266 The operative phrase here is "It only takes a few minutes to fire up an EC2 instance..." That is my point. When we in the software development industry use the word "instantly" customers make the inference of "immediate." They assume that if a server can handle 100,000 users and 200,000 users show up, then the second server will be added in less than a second so the user experience will be unaffected. In practice it can take as long as 42 minutes to add a server if the type of server being requested is exotic enough. The operative phrase here is “It only takes a few minutes to fire up an EC2 instance…” That is my point. When we in the software development industry use the word “instantly” customers make the inference of “immediate.” They assume that if a server can handle 100,000 users and 200,000 users show up, then the second server will be added in less than a second so the user experience will be unaffected. In practice it can take as long as 42 minutes to add a server if the type of server being requested is exotic enough.

]]> By: Abraham Sultan http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/#comment-94264 Abraham Sultan Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:44:58 +0000 http://www.saasblogs.com/?p=259#comment-94264 Hi Scott, Assume the following scenario: Say you have an application that allows your users to create a photo album and once the album is created they can approve it and send it out to print via your service. The act of creating the album happens via a light weight process in the client, but once the album is approved, it needs to be rendered in the server and sent out to the printing press in high resolution. The act of rendering the album is a very compute intensive operation and it taxes the server quite a bit so if somebody decided to approve their album and you started processing it in the server immediately, your server would come to a crawl and your user’s experience would be degraded. A different approach could be to wait until midnight to start processing the albums but then again you would still degrade the user experience of the users that are connected at midnight and if god forbids you become successful and need to process more than a few albums at midnight, you might not have enough time to process them. One last approach could be to have a dedicated server or group of servers that are just responsible of processing your albums; in this approach you don’t degrade your user’s experience but the problem with this approach is that the servers would normally be idle in times of low demands wasting a big chunk of money and resources. Now think of this different approach: Instead of processing the albums in your server or group of servers, you could fire up an EC2 instance as soon as you need to process an album and then tear it down after the processing of the album is complete, essentially you can process a really large amount of albums at a very low cost for just a few pennies that would cost to run the EC2 instance for the duration of the processing of each album. It only takes a few minutes to fire up an EC2 instance rather than having to wait till midnight so that way you can guarantee your customers that the albums will be sent out within a few hours of their order. The scenario I’ve outlined is only one of many cases where you could have intelligent use of Cloud Computing to reap financial rewards as well as operational rewards but as you can see, it requires careful planning from the application developer to make this happen. Hope this helps to understand what I meant by instantly! Cheers, Abe Hi Scott,

Assume the following scenario:

Say you have an application that allows your users to create a photo album and once the album is created they can approve it and send it out to print via your service.

The act of creating the album happens via a light weight process in the client, but once the album is approved, it needs to be rendered in the server and sent out to the printing press in high resolution.

The act of rendering the album is a very compute intensive operation and it taxes the server quite a bit so if somebody decided to approve their album and you started processing it in the server immediately, your server would come to a crawl and your user’s experience would be degraded.

A different approach could be to wait until midnight to start processing the albums but then again you would still degrade the user experience of the users that are connected at midnight and if god forbids you become successful and need to process more than a few albums at midnight, you might not have enough time to process them.

One last approach could be to have a dedicated server or group of servers that are just responsible of processing your albums; in this approach you don’t degrade your user’s experience but the problem with this approach is that the servers would normally be idle in times of low demands wasting a big chunk of money and resources.

Now think of this different approach: Instead of processing the albums in your server or group of servers, you could fire up an EC2 instance as soon as you need to process an album and then tear it down after the processing of the album is complete, essentially you can process a really large amount of albums at a very low cost for just a few pennies that would cost to run the EC2 instance for the duration of the processing of each album.

It only takes a few minutes to fire up an EC2 instance rather than having to wait till midnight so that way you can guarantee your customers that the albums will be sent out within a few hours of their order.

The scenario I’ve outlined is only one of many cases where you could have intelligent use of Cloud Computing to reap financial rewards as well as operational rewards but as you can see, it requires careful planning from the application developer to make this happen.

Hope this helps to understand what I meant by instantly!

Cheers,
Abe

]]> By: Scott Sheppard http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/#comment-94230 Scott Sheppard Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:21:30 +0000 http://www.saasblogs.com/?p=259#comment-94230 In terms of scaling up or down, how do you define "instantly"? In terms of scaling up or down, how do you define “instantly”?

]]> By: Matt Ammerman http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/#comment-94216 Matt Ammerman Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:38:03 +0000 http://www.saasblogs.com/?p=259#comment-94216 Great post Abe! I'd like to emphasize your explanation when it comes to elastic scaling. Elasticity in scaling is SUPER important not only in the value that is obtained operationally (which you clearly defined), but in the speed with which that value is realized - IMMEDIATELY. The concept of capacity planning is no longer a major concern, because in the world you describe - where applications reserve only the resources required to complete current processing tasks - you can literally start with the most trivial of infrastructures/resources needed to get your app up and running. You scale as you grow instead of pre-empting growth with resources you may not use to their fullest extent until some day further down the road (assuming growth continues). It's value in this elasticity concept that greatly reduce SaaS deployment capex investments - which can be a significant hurdle for SaaS initiatives (especially SaaS startups). Great post Abe!

I’d like to emphasize your explanation when it comes to elastic scaling.

Elasticity in scaling is SUPER important not only in the value that is obtained operationally (which you clearly defined), but in the speed with which that value is realized - IMMEDIATELY. The concept of capacity planning is no longer a major concern, because in the world you describe - where applications reserve only the resources required to complete current processing tasks - you can literally start with the most trivial of infrastructures/resources needed to get your app up and running. You scale as you grow instead of pre-empting growth with resources you may not use to their fullest extent until some day further down the road (assuming growth continues).

It’s value in this elasticity concept that greatly reduce SaaS deployment capex investments - which can be a significant hurdle for SaaS initiatives (especially SaaS startups).

]]> By: Vinil http://www.saasblogs.com/2009/07/13/the-true-value-of-cloud-computing/#comment-94213 Vinil Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:19:34 +0000 http://www.saasblogs.com/?p=259#comment-94213 Dear Abe, Very insightfull and neatly put across. So where is all this leading to and what are the business imperatives that these solutions are addressing???. I think some where down the line there will be an effort to orchestrate all lean solutions (SaaS, Cloud Infra Leverage, BPO Services etc) out there to build solutions that can provide "Managed Services" which are commodatized to a large extent. The true value of Managed Services would to: 1) Provide complete "Line Function" Services which are lean and reliable, so that a Business can focus on and leverage investments vis-a-vis their "CORE BUSINESS" 2) The DNA of "Managed Services" will prompt it to continuously innovative and look for ways of maximizing resource leverage, thus turning itself into a extremely "Green Global Solution" I strongly believe that all the existing lean solutions will evolve and get there. Regards Vinil Naidu Director and CTO Navati IT Services Dear Abe,

Very insightfull and neatly put across.
So where is all this leading to and what are the business imperatives that these solutions are addressing???.

I think some where down the line there will be an effort to orchestrate all lean solutions (SaaS, Cloud Infra Leverage, BPO Services etc) out there to build solutions that can provide “Managed Services” which are commodatized to a large extent.

The true value of Managed Services would to:

1) Provide complete “Line Function” Services which are lean and reliable, so that a Business can focus on and leverage investments vis-a-vis their “CORE BUSINESS”

2) The DNA of “Managed Services” will prompt it to continuously innovative and look for ways of maximizing resource leverage, thus turning itself into a extremely “Green Global Solution”

I strongly believe that all the existing lean solutions will evolve and get there.

Regards
Vinil Naidu
Director and CTO
Navati IT Services

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