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	<title>Comments on: Can Open Source &#038; SaaS Get Along?</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: C R M I T - Solution On Demand</title>
		<link>http://www.saasblogs.com/2007/09/26/can-open-source-saas-get-along/#comment-33087</link>
		<dc:creator>C R M I T - Solution On Demand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted by Sinclair Schuller&#160;Blog Track back [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SaaS and Open source - some more&#8230; &#124; diversity.net.nz</title>
		<link>http://www.saasblogs.com/2007/09/26/can-open-source-saas-get-along/#comment-26248</link>
		<dc:creator>SaaS and Open source - some more&#8230; &#124; diversity.net.nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over on SaaS blogs, Sinclair posted an excellent discussion continuing the SaaS/OpenSource discussion. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Over on SaaS blogs, Sinclair posted an excellent discussion continuing the SaaS/OpenSource discussion. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Asim Baig</title>
		<link>http://www.saasblogs.com/2007/09/26/can-open-source-saas-get-along/#comment-18517</link>
		<dc:creator>Asim Baig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CATS (http://www.catsone.com) is an example of SaaS and open source in complete harmony. We provide the Applicant Tracking System to thousands of companies, HR departments, staffing and recruiting agencies. We also give away the source code under a modified Mozilla Public License. We estimate 18,000 instances of CATS in 120 countries. As of this writing we are also hosting over 1000 companies on our SaaS platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CATS (http://www.catsone.com) is an example of SaaS and open source in complete harmony. We provide the Applicant Tracking System to thousands of companies, HR departments, staffing and recruiting agencies. We also give away the source code under a modified Mozilla Public License. We estimate 18,000 instances of CATS in 120 countries. As of this writing we are also hosting over 1000 companies on our SaaS platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Schuller</title>
		<link>http://www.saasblogs.com/2007/09/26/can-open-source-saas-get-along/#comment-16825</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Schuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kamlesh,

You're absolutely correct. There is much to be discovered in terms of implementing an OS/SaaS model with support being one of the "gotcha's" from the support liability standpoint, particularly if the hosted versions are open to extensibility.

To address point 2, a service delivery platform that eases deployment, identity and profile management, hosting, etc. is precisely what my company, &lt;a href="http://www.apprenda.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Apprenda&lt;/a&gt;, is working on in SaaSGrid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kamlesh,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely correct. There is much to be discovered in terms of implementing an OS/SaaS model with support being one of the &#8220;gotcha&#8217;s&#8221; from the support liability standpoint, particularly if the hosted versions are open to extensibility.</p>
<p>To address point 2, a service delivery platform that eases deployment, identity and profile management, hosting, etc. is precisely what my company, <a href="http://www.apprenda.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Apprenda</a>, is working on in SaaSGrid.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamlesh</title>
		<link>http://www.saasblogs.com/2007/09/26/can-open-source-saas-get-along/#comment-16817</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamlesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree with the concept. There are few lacunas needs to be addressed then only it take concrete shape 
&lt;b&gt;1. Support:&lt;/b&gt; How does ISV provide support for open source applications? What kind of SLA ISVs are going to provide &#38; how are they going to meet them? 
&lt;b&gt;2. Service deliver and management:&lt;/b&gt; Delivering multiple applications to large audience will be the real challenge for ISVs. Service delivery platform is required to automate provisioning/ deprovisioning &#38; to manage identity lifecycle across multiple applications. Does any came across this type tool? 

Thanks 
Kamlesh </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree with the concept. There are few lacunas needs to be addressed then only it take concrete shape<br />
<b>1. Support:</b> How does ISV provide support for open source applications? What kind of SLA ISVs are going to provide &amp; how are they going to meet them?<br />
<b>2. Service deliver and management:</b> Delivering multiple applications to large audience will be the real challenge for ISVs. Service delivery platform is required to automate provisioning/ deprovisioning &amp; to manage identity lifecycle across multiple applications. Does any came across this type tool? </p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Kamlesh</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Schuller</title>
		<link>http://www.saasblogs.com/2007/09/26/can-open-source-saas-get-along/#comment-16744</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Schuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kameran,

Spot on with the notion that open source is at a transition point. I'd stretch and say most of the software industry is, and it seems to be a transition where we try to meld different models/strategies to create something unique to capitalize on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kameran,</p>
<p>Spot on with the notion that open source is at a transition point. I&#8217;d stretch and say most of the software industry is, and it seems to be a transition where we try to meld different models/strategies to create something unique to capitalize on.</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; links for 2007-10-09</title>
		<link>http://www.saasblogs.com/2007/09/26/can-open-source-saas-get-along/#comment-16741</link>
		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; links for 2007-10-09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Can Open Source &#38; SaaS Get Along? (tags: opensource saas isv vars hosted) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kameran Ahari</title>
		<link>http://www.saasblogs.com/2007/09/26/can-open-source-saas-get-along/#comment-16645</link>
		<dc:creator>Kameran Ahari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you pose a very interesting question.  You're really posing the question whether you can plan the commercialization of an open source initiative as part of your original strategy.  

I am not sure if I saw anyone post a definite response supported by a list of exceptions that do / don't support your original premise.  Great topic for a Sloan type review.  I am doing some of my own research for a paper.  I do believe we are at a transition point in open source.  I like to call this first generation vs. second generation.  In initial wave (first gen) we saw pure open source initiatives with no real business model or strategy.  Many of these organizations subsequently were acquired by larger organizations.  Now with Web 2.0 and other viable SaaS models, we are seeing a wave of start-ups trying to leverage the open collaborative community development model as part of their go to market strategy.  I think we need to delineate the needs and participation level of the overall community. Moreover, not lump them all together. For instance, the development community is an early participant and has a very different interest in participation.  That individual is very self-contained.  Then you have the end user community.  The latter needs a complete solution / application that is self contained.  Most non-technical end users will gladly pay a nominal fee for the solution.  By carefully constructing the legal language around (FOSS distribution language), you can meet the needs of the development community while maintaining the interest of the commercial side (SaaS).  For the most part, it looks like a dual license model.  I am seeing companies like Zimbra redefine what is possible.  They had a clear strategy to create an open source commercial initiative from the get go.  They are unique in that unlike Salesforce.com or other SaaS, they are not creating a Zimbra branded SaaS offering.  70% of their sales will come from other service providers who will enable the SaaS.  I strongly suspect companies like Zimbra realize the limitations of the defacto distribution agreements, and end up writing a slightly modified version that serves the interests of these various communities.  Just some thoughts.  Great topic.  

Kameran Ahari
http://gotastrategy.typepad.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you pose a very interesting question.  You&#8217;re really posing the question whether you can plan the commercialization of an open source initiative as part of your original strategy.  </p>
<p>I am not sure if I saw anyone post a definite response supported by a list of exceptions that do / don&#8217;t support your original premise.  Great topic for a Sloan type review.  I am doing some of my own research for a paper.  I do believe we are at a transition point in open source.  I like to call this first generation vs. second generation.  In initial wave (first gen) we saw pure open source initiatives with no real business model or strategy.  Many of these organizations subsequently were acquired by larger organizations.  Now with Web 2.0 and other viable SaaS models, we are seeing a wave of start-ups trying to leverage the open collaborative community development model as part of their go to market strategy.  I think we need to delineate the needs and participation level of the overall community. Moreover, not lump them all together. For instance, the development community is an early participant and has a very different interest in participation.  That individual is very self-contained.  Then you have the end user community.  The latter needs a complete solution / application that is self contained.  Most non-technical end users will gladly pay a nominal fee for the solution.  By carefully constructing the legal language around (FOSS distribution language), you can meet the needs of the development community while maintaining the interest of the commercial side (SaaS).  For the most part, it looks like a dual license model.  I am seeing companies like Zimbra redefine what is possible.  They had a clear strategy to create an open source commercial initiative from the get go.  They are unique in that unlike Salesforce.com or other SaaS, they are not creating a Zimbra branded SaaS offering.  70% of their sales will come from other service providers who will enable the SaaS.  I strongly suspect companies like Zimbra realize the limitations of the defacto distribution agreements, and end up writing a slightly modified version that serves the interests of these various communities.  Just some thoughts.  Great topic.  </p>
<p>Kameran Ahari<br />
<a href="http://gotastrategy.typepad.com" rel="nofollow">http://gotastrategy.typepad.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Schuller</title>
		<link>http://www.saasblogs.com/2007/09/26/can-open-source-saas-get-along/#comment-15560</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Schuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thanks for highlighting the SugarCRM dev mechanism - that's why I flagged them as not being the 'best example'.

Chris, although an open source is SaaS platform is valuable, I don't think it's the *only* way to dodge proprietary lock-in. Extreme lock-in (Force.com w/new language) can be avoided even through a closed SaaS platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks for highlighting the SugarCRM dev mechanism - that&#8217;s why I flagged them as not being the &#8216;best example&#8217;.</p>
<p>Chris, although an open source is SaaS platform is valuable, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the *only* way to dodge proprietary lock-in. Extreme lock-in (Force.com w/new language) can be avoided even through a closed SaaS platform.</p>
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		<title>By: c keene</title>
		<link>http://www.saasblogs.com/2007/09/26/can-open-source-saas-get-along/#comment-15414</link>
		<dc:creator>c keene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinclair - you are right on the money here. For whatever reason, many of the early SaaS platform vendors (SalesForce, Coghead, Teqlo, Bungee Labs) have delivered SaaS flexibility at the price of proprietary lock in. I wrote about it here (and also linked to your earlier article on Apex) http://www.keeneview.com/2007/09/take-pass-on-platform-saas.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinclair - you are right on the money here. For whatever reason, many of the early SaaS platform vendors (SalesForce, Coghead, Teqlo, Bungee Labs) have delivered SaaS flexibility at the price of proprietary lock in. I wrote about it here (and also linked to your earlier article on Apex) <a href="http://www.keeneview.com/2007/09/take-pass-on-platform-saas.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.keeneview.com/2007/09/take-pass-on-platform-saas.html</a></p>
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